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Looking For Datasheets Answered May 2012

I have a collection of one and two Meg memory strips from early PCs, with which I would like to make delay lines for digitized audio. I can find no application or pin-out data for the chips; the markings seem inconsistent from strip to strip, and have no manufacturer's name or logo. (I have one set of what I believe to be four Meg strips designated as MT4C4ME8DJ.) I've done Google searches for this style of memory chip to no avail. Can anyone help?

Arne Berg
Huntington Beach, CA


This is an old EDO SIMM.
Knowing that — and knowing that MT meant Micron — I did a Google search for "micron edo memory datasheet" and found: www.pjrc.com/mp3/simm/datasheet.html which says (among other things):


For the latest datasheet revisions, please refer to the Micron website: www.micron.com/mti/msp/html/datasheet.html.

• JEDEC- and industry-standard pin-out in a 72-pin, single in-line memory module (SIMM)
• 16 MB (4 Meg x 32) and 32 MB (8 Meg x 32)
• High performance CMOS silicon-gate process
• Single 5V ±10% power supply
• All inputs, outputs, and clocks are TTL-compatible
• Refresh modes: RAS#-ONLY, CAS#-BEFORE-RAS# (CBR), and HIDDEN
• 2,048 cycle refresh distributed across 32 ms
• Fast Page Mode (FPM) access or Extended Data-Out (EDO) Page Mode access

Options                         Marking

50 ns access                     -5*
60 ns access                     -6
72-pin SIMM                        M
72-pin SIMM (Gold)             G
Operating Modes 
FAST PAGE MODE           None
EDO PAGE MODE                X

*EDO version only

Part Numbers
EDO Operating Mode
Part Number               Configuration            Plating

MT8D432G- x X                4 Meg x 32                  Gold
MT8D432M- x X                4 Meg x 32               Tin/Lead
MT16D832G-x X               8 Meg x 32                  Gold
MT16D832M-x X               8 Meg x 32               Tin/Lead
x = speed

FPM Operating Mode
Part Number               Configuration            Plating
MT8D432G-x                    4 Meg x 32                  Gold
MT8D432M-x                    4 Meg x 32               Tin/Lead
MT16D832G-x                  8 Meg x 32                  Gold
MT16D832M-x                  8 Meg x 32               Tin/Lead
x = speed

Pin Assignment (Front View) See diagram below.
72-Pin SIMM
4 Meg x 32
8 Meg x 32

PIN    SYMBOL      PIN     SYMBOL        PIN     SYMBOL         PIN     SYMBOL
1         Vss              19          A10              37          NC                 55       DQ12
2         DQ1              20          DQ5             38          NC                 56       DQ28
3         DQ17            21          DQ21           39          Vss               57       DQ13
4         DQ                22          DQ6             40          CAS0#          58       DQ29
5         DQ18            23          DQ22           41          CAS2#          59       Vdd
6         DQ3              24          DQ7             42          CAS3#          60       DQ30
7         DQ19            25          DQ23           43          CAS1#          61       DQ14
8         DQ4              26          DQ8             44          RAS0#          62       DQ31
9         DQ20            27          DQ24           45          NC/RAS1#*   63       DQ15
10       VDD              28         A7                46          NC                 64      DQ32
11       NC                 29         NC (A11)      47          WE#              65      DQ16
12      A0                  30         VDD             48          NC                 66      NC
13      A1                  31         A8                49          DQ9              67       PRD1
14      A2                  32         A9                50          DQ25            68       PRD2
15      A3                  33         NC/RAS3#*  51         DQ10             69       PRD3
16      A4                  34         RAS2#         52          DQ26            70       PRD4
17      A5                  35         NC                53          DQ11            71       NC
18      A6                  36         NC                54          DQ27           72        Vss

*32 MB version only

If this isn't the right part, then try www.alldatasheet.com/view.jsp?Searchword=MT4C4ME8.

Rusty Carruth
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Bird Sound Circuit Answered May 2012

About 40 years ago, I built a bird sound kit and put it in a Sucrets® metal box (same size as an Altoids® tin). I don't remember the name of the company, but the circuit was a blocking oscillator. I believe it had a miniature audio transformer; one side had a center tap. I think it only had one transistor and ran on a single AA cell. I used a 1" speaker with a clear plastic diaphragm. You switched it on and it made a realistic repeating bird chirp. Better yet, if you lightly touched the speakercone, the sounds changed to other types of birds because of the change in reactance of the speaker. It was quite loud. Does anyone remember this and have a schematic?

Charles Foreman
Glendale, CA


The schematic and parts list shown below is from the three page article “The Solid-State Bird,” by John Simonton, Jr. It appeared in Popular Electronics Spring 1973 “Electronics Experimenters Handbook.” (A scanned PDF of the entire article can be viewed or downloaded here also.) The foil pattern measures 2 7/16" x 1-3/4", or 71 x 44 mm. While searching, I also ran across two additional "bird sound" circuits: Dec. 1981 Radio Electronics "Electronic Bird Chirper" — four transistors, total 25 parts; and 1993 Popular Electronics Electronics Handbook "Hot Canaries" two LM324s, one transistor, two 1N914 diodes total 54 parts (no critical parts; parts count includes 9V battery, switch, and speaker).

Edwin Hampton
Mattoon, Il

I remember using a SN76488N 'sound generator' to build 'sound' circuits, such as train whistles, crowds cheering, birds chirping, and sirens, etc., for electronic games and other projects, but then I started to think about producing sounds as realistic as possible but in a less complicated way. Here's a possible solution that you might want to consider. I went to RadioShack and purchased a few of those handheld voice recorders [available at www.tmart.com] that allowed about a 10 to 15 second recording time. Pressing one button allowed recording, and pressing another button allowed audible playback. Removing a few screws, I simply wired a micro-switch in parallel with the playback switch and, when pressed, could instantly and repeatedly hear what I had recorded until I recorded over it with something else. I wired the output of the recorder to the input of a small audio amplifier [using an LM386 IC circuit] for a clear and loud output. I wanted a crowd cheer each time a hit was made and a trumpet blare every time a man crossed home plate in my electronic baseball game. I was fortunate enough to have these realistic recorded sounds already programmed on my Technics keyboard. I simply pressed the record button, recorded the sounds, and then wired the recorders into the game. You can easily record real bird sounds for your project. You can store all bird calls into a memory chip and then play back, record, and use as needed.

John Mastromoro
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LED Chaser Answered May 2012

I need a schematic for an LED chaser for an atomic model my class is building. I will be using about eight to 16 LEDs. They need to be adjustable in cycling and speed. Could this circuit be expandable from, say, four to 40 LEDs?

Robert Slusher
Santa Fe, NM


First, I would recommend checking out the ‘Chaser Light Marquee’ in Smiley’s Workshop here on N&V.

If that doesn’t work for you, I would recommend building something with presettable shift registers, aka parallel-in parallel-out shift registers.

There are a number of different versions of those, the 74198 and 74199 are TTL versions, and there is the 4035 which is a CMOS version (4 bits per chip).

The idea is, string enough of those together to have the number of outputs you want, then use switches to set the input states (thus which LEDs are lit on startup).  Tie the last used output bit to the serial data input of the first chip if you want the data to cycle around once loaded.  If you would rather the pattern get reloaded once all bits are shifted out then you need a way to reload when terminal count is reached (a comparator or just an up or down counter).

Once the data is latched, let the clock run at your shift rate and you’re done.

You need a clock (555 for example) and a way to load the register(s) upon powerup.

Rusty Carruth
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By "LED chaser," I assume you mean a circuit that will light a series of LEDs one at a time in a sequential and cyclic progression. You can accomplish this using the MC14017 Decade Counter IC (download a datasheet from www.onsemi.com). A single MC14017 will provide 10 LED outputs. Figure 3 in the datasheet illustrates how to wire together several MC14017s (with the help of MC74HC08 AND gates) for obtaining more outputs (40 LEDs will require five MC14017s). You can drive the LEDs directly from the MC14017 outputs with a series resistor (~ 470 ohms).

You'll also need an oscillator source, and an LM555 is the easiest way to do this. A convenient calculator for determining component values is available at www.coolcircuit.com/tools/ne555_calculator/index.php. You can use a potentiometer to make the oscillator frequency variable. If you make the frequency 10 Hz, for example, each LED will light for 0.1 seconds, and it will take one second to cycle through all 10 LEDs.

All the components you will need can be ordered from Jameco (www.jameco.com). You can use the 74HC4017, 74HC08, and LM555, and any size/color LED you like. The figure below is a basic schematic diagram to get started.

Bob Stewart
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Display Advice Answered May 2012

I need to build a high visibility display unit that consists of 15 1” x 1-1/2” display units. I've considered LEDs, Electrolum panels, and more. I cannot seem to find a display unit that can properly display true black and true white. I also need them to do at least 256 colors as well — nice, rich high resolution colors. Is there such a thing? I believe I've seen them but am not sure where since I go to a lot of places displaying a lot of stuff.

Tom Moore
Beverly Hills, FL


The only displays I’ve seen recently are basically ‘VGA flat panels’ or LCD flat panel displays. Expensive, but with LED flat panels you should get pretty close to real black and real white…  (for example, at the local Pei Wei they have large 50” flat panel TVs for their displays, and the local credit union I use does a similar thing). Here are a few companies that sell such things.


Displaytech (www.displaytech-us.com/?gclid=CKXvjJXo9q8CFSoZQgod60iTUg)


Purdy (www.purdyelectronics.com/products/displays/tftmodul.cfm)


IDT (www.toshibadisplays.com/?_kk=LCD%20display%20panels&_kt=41098ecd-8c7b-4102-b602-a2891f16f4c3)


Planar (www.planar.com/?campaignID=70150000000TpWT&_kk=planar%20displays&_kt=77205abe-b0e5-448e-ad71-fdd9273e5e74&gclid=CP6Nrabo9q8CFcYBRQodDXzDDA)

Rusty Carruth
Tempe, AZ

Good luck finding a display that actually displays black. About the only thing that would come close is an "electronic ink" display as used on an Amazon Kindle. Most displays — whether CRT, LED, incandescent, etc. — generate light. Black is the absence of light and with a CRT (picture tube) or LED display, the blackest black you're going to get is with the display off. It only seems "black" in the presence of all the contrasting colored light around it. Look at your TV with power off. That's its blackest black. Really! It doesn't seem that your "256 colors" is a good definition of "nice, rich, high-resolution colors." Your local paint store has more color chips than that by far and it's certainly not "high resolution."

Dean Huster
Harviell, MO

DTMF Encoder Answered June 2012

Where can I find a schematic or kit for a 16 button keypad encoder, without having to program a PIC? That's a regular telephone keypad plus A - D on the right side.

Terry Arnall
Hayward, CA


Go to www.jameco.com and search for part number 32803. It is a DTMF Generator number TCM5089. Click on one of the three data sheet options to download and print the PDF.

Dennis Hewett
Frontenac, KS

Try searching on eBay for "DTMF encoder." I found more than a few there, but they aren't cheap.

DTMF ENCODER GENERATOR *** $34.00 *** 11 Days



While these will all probably be sold before you read this, you'll most likely find others. I'd ask the "Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET" place since they may have other chips.

Philip Karras
via email

The IC for DTMF encoding is a TP5089 from National, or a second source is TCM5089 from Texas Instruments.

It is available from Jameco (Jameco.com) as TP5089; their item #32803.

It's listed as available from stock on their website. You can also download datasheets from them to check before ordering.

Don Pomeroy
Manchester, NH

FFT Audio Spectrum Analyzer Answered June 2012

How can I implement FFT in microcontrollers so that I can do a frequency analysis of incoming audio signals that I have sampled through the A/D converter? I am not getting just where to start, though I know mathematical techniques of FFT. I want to deploy a cool audio spectrum analyzer for my audio system using matrix LEDs.

Abhishek Kumar
Meerut, Uttar Pradesh, India


I googled "audio FFT for PIC libraries" and got several hits for arduino and Rpi libraries Give it a try, I think you will find what you're looking for.

William B Runyon Sr
Chesapeake, VA

Compressor Starter Answered June 2012

I am looking for a positive temperature coefficient motor starter for a compressor. Or, I need help using different parts such as a single pole contactor/relay for a hard start. The part I want to replace has the following number: RF-6850-18, and consists of a PTC starter and an overload protector. Can I replace this with a hard starter contacter? I can photocopy the schematics and email anyone who can help me.

Michael Farley
Cincinnati, OH


The original part is shown at www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Start-Device/RF685018/1569121.

The three terminals on the device are C, S, and R. C is connected to the COMMON of the compressor, with S being START winding, and R being RUN winding.

I'd suggest replacing the original device, and adding the proper MARS hard start device to kick the compressor. You don't want to bypass the overload! PERIOD!

MARS Motors & Armatures, Inc.,  has hard start devices and torque multipliers for refrigeration/AC compressors. I've used a smaller MARS hard start device on several refrigerators, and they work fine. (www.marsm-a.com/CGI-BIN/LANSAWEB?WEBEVENT+R06630136135017015394091+ML6+ENG).

I can't find the paperwork on the last MARS device I purchased. Any local HVAC distributor should be able to locate what you need, depending on the compressor size. It's just a two wire hookup.

I'm including a PDF document from MARS and my refrigeration document for you to view.

Larry Kraemer
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I work for a major appliance repair company/retailer. Replacing the factory compressor start device with an after-market hard start kit is not recommended. Most of those kits — if not used or sized correctly — can cause permanent compressor failure. I would suggest trying to source the correct part by model and serial number of the refrigerator. There is a major appliance parts dealer in Cincinnati and Dayton that can help. If you can not find a model or serial, I suggest Whirlpool part number 8201786. This kit covers several different compressors, as well as wiring connections.

Sean Battito
Mohnton, PA

I've bought PTC starters for refrigeration compressors from www.repairclinic.com on a few different occasions. A local appliance shop with a parts counter should be able to supply them too, either OEM or a universal replacement. The "hard start" kits you can get are nothing more than a standard PTC starter, overload protector, and capacitor stuffed into a housing. The one time I tried one of those, it failed within a few weeks.

If you want to try rolling your own, this schematic is said to work although I've not personally tried it. Digi-Key, Mouser, and other electronics distributors carry a selection of PTCs and bimetal circuit protectors that could be used.

James Sweet
via email

Go to any well stocked refrigeration supply house and ask for a universal compressor starter.

This will be a device with leads. (I have no idea what's inside.) Connect it as shown on the package, removing the existing starter device.

These things work every time. Be sure to leave any original thermal protective device intact.

They can also be used on small air compressors that use PTC devices as starters.

Don Pomeroy
Manchester, NH

Thermostat Schematic Answered June 2012

I need a simple schematic diagram which shows how the home thermostat controller is connected to the gas heater and to the air conditioning at the same time.

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Here is documentation for a typical thermostat. Make sure you know what voltage your existing system uses before making a purchase.

I think the schematic is self-explanatory

Larry Kraemer
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Generator Conversion Answered June 2012

I’m considering converting an old car with manual steering to electric. However, DC motors about 10 HP or more are expensive. I saw that the Northern Tool catalog has a 10 kw generator head with brushless technology (Item 165928). Is this a 13 HP brushless DC motor I could modify?

Peter Vickers
Hope Hull, AL


You can ask the expert at Northern Tool, but I am sure he will tell you that this is a single phase, 220 VAC generator and cannot be used as a motor. A three-phase generator could possibly be used as a motor, but 60 Hz machines don't like to be run at other frequencies so variable speed would be a problem. You would need a clutch and transmission.

Russ Kincaid
Milford, NH

Digital Technology? Answered June 2012

I am a senior citizen plagued with hearing loss. I have been using hearing aids for about 30 years!! The vendors keep touting "digital" technology although none of them can explain how "digital" amplifiers work. I am familiar with analog amplifiers. Can someone give an explanation of this "digital" technology?

William Porter
Porter, OK


An advanced digital hearing aid employs digital signal processing for all sorts of tricks. For one, the individual's hearing loss spectrum can be compensated without large analog filters. But DSP also allows for the removal of noise, constant tones (real ones), feedback, etc. and for the adjustment of gain and directionality. I think I've read that certain types of tinnitus can be reduced by sufficient levels of band-limited noise. Apparently, the brain interprets zero noise as a tone. Such noise generation is easy with DSP.

Charles Wenzel
Austin, TX

Analog amplifiers amplify all audio frequencies equally, simply making everything louder. Digital hearing aids process the digitized sound with a tiny microprocessor before converting the digital signals back to analog for your ear. Therefore, they can be programmed to amplify different frequencies by different amounts.


Most senior citizens with hearing loss have more loss of high frequencies than low.  Unfortunately, it's the high frequencies that convey most of the meaning of speech. Your audiologist will probably program your digital hearing aid to amplify high frequencies more than low, resulting in much better speech understanding than simply making everything louder.


It usually takes two or three trips to the audiologist to get your hearing aid programmed just right for you. That personal attention is built into the price of the digital hearing aid, which is why they're so expensive. Believe me, they're worth the extra cost!

John Herro
CIncinnati, OH

A digital hearing aid still has an analog microphone, mic pre-amp, audio power amp and speaker (earpiece). It's what's in the middle that's digital: a programmable digital signal processor. The DSP takes the mic input and converts it to bits of data (digital). The DSP can analyze the data and make adjustments depending on the programming. For example, if you have a hearing loss at 2,000 Hz the audiologist can program a boost in your hearing aid at 2,000 Hz. If after some time your hearing becomes diminished overall, the audiologist can program a general boost of all the frequencies if needed. The DSP can make smart decisions to automatically reduce or eliminate feedback and background noise. The latter can help you understand conversations in a noisy room. The DSP can automatically adjust the volume too. After the DSP does all this processing, it converts the bits of data back to analog and sends it to the audio amp. The beauty of a digital hearing aid is that a single design can be programmed to be used by many people without changing the electronics. All you need to have customized is the ear mold to fit your ear. An audiologist connects the hearing aid to a laptop computer to program its many parameters. Take a look at www.hearsource.com to see an example of how you can program your own digital hearing aid. As always, don't underestimate the value provided by your audiologist. Consider self- programming as fine-tuning and let the audiologist determine your baseline. (I am not a hearing professional. Consult with your doctor and audiologist for expert advice.)

Rick Swenton
Bristol, CT

I have been wearing "digital" hearing aids for three years. Here's what I've learned.

The "analog" aids of yesteryear were nothing more than sound amplifiers. Some could have been designed as high pass filters/amplifiers for those who lost high frequency hearing. Those analog aids also "squealed" at times from feedback due to the "microphone" (called pickup) hearing sound from the "speaker" (called receiver).

The "digital" hearing aids today operate using I.C. chips for DSP, Digital Signal Processing, and are tailored for each individual's specific type of hearing loss. This is done by "programming" each DSP chip for each ear based on results of a hearing test in order to overcome each ear's deficiency. The result is a custom made hearing amplifier for each of your ears.

The "digital" hearing aids also are programmed to avoid the feedback phenomenon, although they are not perfect. The "digital" hearing aids come in a variety of styles (behind-the-ear, in-the-ear, in-the-canal, etc) to suit the taste of the wearer. Prices vary all over the map with the best price I've found at Costco (Siemans hearing aids) for about $1200 apiece to as much as $5000 apiece at other hearing aid providers carrying a range of manufacturers.

None of these devices is "cheap" but they are effective depending upon one's specific type of hearing loss.

Curt Eglin
Shalimar, FL

Here's my brief explanation. Digital audio for a hearing aid can help in a number of ways. First it can (or should be able to be) tailored to your particular type of hearing loss. This means it should be able to amplify the frequencies you need help hearing and not amplify the frequencies you don't need help hearing.

It should also be able to reduce ambient noise, reduce feedback/screeching, and even more.

I found a good article at:


if you want to read more.

The bottom line is, if the people selling these things do not know the features of the new units, then go somewhere else because they need to be tailored to you. If they don't know that then it won't be done and there’s no advantage to buying it. Except for perhaps the reduction of noise and amplification of voice in general.

73 de ke3fl

Philip Karras
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